The only solid information we have on this couple is from the marriage certificate of their son, James Laurie (1839) and Agnes Seaton (1841) on 28 July 1871. William Laurie was a farm servant at that time and married to Elisabeth Laurie m.s. Grierson who was deceased by July of 1871. You can see their marriage certificate on the post about James Laurie here.
The following information is purely speculation:
There is a marriage recorded in the Old Parocial Records, film1068034, New Abbey, Kirkcudbright,
Scotland, Fr288, Marriages 1819 to 1853, Lowrie, William, Male, Married
Elizabeth Grierson, 18 May 1830. No parents mentioned and no age or any
other info.
In this same record we find these two entries
Old Parocial Records, film1068034, New Abbey, Kirkcudbright, Scotland,
Fr264, Lowrie, Alexander, Male, Westmuir, Born 19 Dec 1830, Bap18 Mar
1831, son of William Lowrie and Elizabeth Grierson
Old Parocial Records, film1068034, New Abbey, Kirkcudbright,
Scotland, Fr266, Lowrie, William, Male, Westmuir, Born 2 Jul 1833, Bap13
Jul 1833, son of William Lowrie and Elizabeth Grierson
There is no mention of a son named James however we found two census records that clear this up.
1841 Scotland Census about William Laurie
Name: William Laurie
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: New Abbey
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: West Muir
Occupation: Ag Lab
Parish Number: 877
Household Members:
Name Age
William Laurie 27
Elisabeth Laurie 35
Elisabeth Laurie 12
Alex Laurie 10
William Laurie 7
James Laurie 5
Nicholas Laurie 2
In the next census the moved to another house which appears to be the house nextdoor. William's father was living in the other one.
1851 Scotland Census about William Laurie
Name: William Laurie
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Elisabeth Laurie
Gender: Male
Where born: New Abbey, kirkcudbt
Parish Number: 877
Civil Parish: New Abbey
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: Cullendough
Occupation: Farm Labourer
ED: 4
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household Schedule Number: 14
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1851_213
Household Members:
Name Age
William Laurie 36
Elisabeth Laurie 46
Elisabeth Laurie 22
James Laurie 15
Nicholas Laurie 12
Marion Laurie 8
Agnes Thomson 17
We have no idea where William Laurie the father was living when his son James married Agnes.
Saturday, August 10, 2013
James Laurie (1836-1844) and Agnes Seaton (b abt 1842)
The first piece of information we have is the Marriage Certificate
008989 from the General Register Office in Edinburgh, Scotland. James and Agnes were married on 28 July 1871
at Cumlees Village, Parish of Kirkmichael county of Dumfries, Scotland.
Homes in Scotland and England had names not numbers or street
addresses. This was most likely the residence of Agnes and her parents.
From this certificate we learn that James' parents were William Laurie, a farm servant, and Elisabeth Laurie m.s. Grierson (deceased) This means his mother had died before he married and that her maiden surname is Grierson. James was currently living at Haslae Brae, Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland. His parents could have been living somewhere else as often a young man of 32 years would be a farm servant for someone else.
Agnes' parents were John Seaton, a weaver, and Jean Seaton m.s. Graham (deceased).
William Laurie, his father, was a farm labourer and so James Laurie also became a farm servant and eventually moved and started working for the Barbour family at Hazlaebrae, in Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire. Dumfriesshire is just East of Kirkcudbrightshire. This information is that same address that shows up on his marriage certificate. The approximate birth year varies so we don't know for sure when he was born. According to the 1871 Census there was a James Laurie at Hazlaebrae who was 32 years old it says he was born in Newabbey, Kirkudbright, Scotland.
1871 Scotland Census about James Laurie
Name: James Laurie
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Newabbey, Kirkcudbright
Registration Number: 836
Registration district: Kirkmichael
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Hazlaebrae
Occupation: Farm Servant
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_184
Household Members:
Name Age
Gavin Barbour 37
Jane Barbour 28
Frank Barbour 2
Elizabeth Barbour 1
Paul Paisley 20
John Hair 24
James Laurie 32
Thomas Hope 14
We find Agnes living with her Father and an 8 year old girl named Ann Seaton at this time. We have discovered that she is Agnes' daughter and no father is listed.
1871 Scotland Census about Agnes Seaton
Name: Agnes Seaton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: John Seaton
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 836
Registration district: Kirkmichael
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Cumlees Cottage
Occupation: Weaver Daur
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1871_184
Household Members:
Name Age
John Seaton 71
Agnes Seaton 30
Ann Seaton 8
One year later a son was born to this couple, his name is William Laurie, born 8 Apr 1872 at Cumlees Village. They were still living there with Agnes' father at that time.
They stayed there for the birth of their first child William (b1872-d1888) and then had Jeanie Graham Laurie the next year. Elizabeth Agnes Laurie was born in Aug of 1874 and died in September only surviving for 4 weeks.
In the 1881 Census we find James and Agness Laurie. They are now living at Burrance Bridge, Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland. In this census James' birth year is estimated at 1844 but we know this is the same family. So maybe the census taker or someone reporting it was guessing. On the same census search we see that they guessed that Agnes was born in 1842. We know from the marriage certificate that he should be older than her but once again a certificate should be more accurate than a census but who knows for sure.
1881 Scotland Census about James Laurie
Name: James Laurie
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agness Laurie
Gender: Male
Where born: Newabbey, Kirkcudbrtshire
Registration Number: 836
Registration district: Kirkmichael
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Burrance Bridge
Occupation: Agricultural Lab
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 10
Roll: cssct1881_324
Household Members:
Name Age
James Laurie 37
Agness Laurie 39
William Laurie 8
Jennie G Laurie 7
1881 Scotland Census about Agness Laurie
Name: Agness Laurie
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James Laurie
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirkmichael, Dumfriess
Registration Number: 836
Registration district: Kirkmichael
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Burrance Bridge
Occupation: Agricultural Lab Wife
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_324
Household Members:
Name Age
James Laurie 37
Agness Laurie 39
William Laurie 8
Jennie G Laurie 7
Recently we were able to find the death certificate for James Laurie, married to Agnes Seaton supporting the statement that he was deceased at the time of his son's marriage. The family moved to Templand, Lochmaben, Dumfries sometime between 1881 and 1888 before the death of James. James Laurie died 27 May 1888 at Templand Village, Lochmaben, Dumfries Scotland of pneumonia.
We can track Agnes to the next census in 1891. This is the last census that shows Agnes so she must have died after 1893 and before 1901.
1891 Scotland Census about Agnes Laurie
Name: Agnes Laurie
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirmed, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 840
Registration district: Lochmaben
Civil parish: Lochmaben
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Templand
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_396
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Laurie 47
William Laurie 19
Jeanie G Laurie 18
Thomas S Laurie 9 (Gd Son) - scholar
William Laurie married Marion Kinnaird on 23 Nov 1893 at the Free Church Manse, in the Parish of Johnstone, Dumfries, Scotland. At this time his father, James had already died but his mother Agnes was still living. Similarly, Marion's father, Thomas Kinnaird was alive but her mother Jane Kinnaird m.s. Johnstone was deceased already.
Agnes Laurie died 4 Sep 1894, in the district of Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland of Apoplexy.
From this certificate we learn that James' parents were William Laurie, a farm servant, and Elisabeth Laurie m.s. Grierson (deceased) This means his mother had died before he married and that her maiden surname is Grierson. James was currently living at Haslae Brae, Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland. His parents could have been living somewhere else as often a young man of 32 years would be a farm servant for someone else.
Agnes' parents were John Seaton, a weaver, and Jean Seaton m.s. Graham (deceased).
William Laurie, his father, was a farm labourer and so James Laurie also became a farm servant and eventually moved and started working for the Barbour family at Hazlaebrae, in Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire. Dumfriesshire is just East of Kirkcudbrightshire. This information is that same address that shows up on his marriage certificate. The approximate birth year varies so we don't know for sure when he was born. According to the 1871 Census there was a James Laurie at Hazlaebrae who was 32 years old it says he was born in Newabbey, Kirkudbright, Scotland.
1871 Scotland Census about James Laurie
Name: James Laurie
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Newabbey, Kirkcudbright
Registration Number: 836
Registration district: Kirkmichael
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Hazlaebrae
Occupation: Farm Servant
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_184
Household Members:
Name Age
Gavin Barbour 37
Jane Barbour 28
Frank Barbour 2
Elizabeth Barbour 1
Paul Paisley 20
John Hair 24
James Laurie 32
Thomas Hope 14
We find Agnes living with her Father and an 8 year old girl named Ann Seaton at this time. We have discovered that she is Agnes' daughter and no father is listed.
1871 Scotland Census about Agnes Seaton
Name: Agnes Seaton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: John Seaton
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 836
Registration district: Kirkmichael
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Cumlees Cottage
Occupation: Weaver Daur
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1871_184
Household Members:
Name Age
John Seaton 71
Agnes Seaton 30
Ann Seaton 8
One year later a son was born to this couple, his name is William Laurie, born 8 Apr 1872 at Cumlees Village. They were still living there with Agnes' father at that time.
They stayed there for the birth of their first child William (b1872-d1888) and then had Jeanie Graham Laurie the next year. Elizabeth Agnes Laurie was born in Aug of 1874 and died in September only surviving for 4 weeks.
In the 1881 Census we find James and Agness Laurie. They are now living at Burrance Bridge, Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland. In this census James' birth year is estimated at 1844 but we know this is the same family. So maybe the census taker or someone reporting it was guessing. On the same census search we see that they guessed that Agnes was born in 1842. We know from the marriage certificate that he should be older than her but once again a certificate should be more accurate than a census but who knows for sure.
1881 Scotland Census about James Laurie
Name: James Laurie
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agness Laurie
Gender: Male
Where born: Newabbey, Kirkcudbrtshire
Registration Number: 836
Registration district: Kirkmichael
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Burrance Bridge
Occupation: Agricultural Lab
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 10
Roll: cssct1881_324
Household Members:
Name Age
James Laurie 37
Agness Laurie 39
William Laurie 8
Jennie G Laurie 7
1881 Scotland Census about Agness Laurie
Name: Agness Laurie
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James Laurie
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirkmichael, Dumfriess
Registration Number: 836
Registration district: Kirkmichael
Civil parish: Kirkmichael
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Burrance Bridge
Occupation: Agricultural Lab Wife
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_324
Household Members:
Name Age
James Laurie 37
Agness Laurie 39
William Laurie 8
Jennie G Laurie 7
Recently we were able to find the death certificate for James Laurie, married to Agnes Seaton supporting the statement that he was deceased at the time of his son's marriage. The family moved to Templand, Lochmaben, Dumfries sometime between 1881 and 1888 before the death of James. James Laurie died 27 May 1888 at Templand Village, Lochmaben, Dumfries Scotland of pneumonia.
We can track Agnes to the next census in 1891. This is the last census that shows Agnes so she must have died after 1893 and before 1901.
1891 Scotland Census about Agnes Laurie
Name: Agnes Laurie
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirmed, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 840
Registration district: Lochmaben
Civil parish: Lochmaben
COUNTY: Dumfriesshire
Address: Templand
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_396
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Laurie 47
William Laurie 19
Jeanie G Laurie 18
Thomas S Laurie 9 (Gd Son) - scholar
William Laurie married Marion Kinnaird on 23 Nov 1893 at the Free Church Manse, in the Parish of Johnstone, Dumfries, Scotland. At this time his father, James had already died but his mother Agnes was still living. Similarly, Marion's father, Thomas Kinnaird was alive but her mother Jane Kinnaird m.s. Johnstone was deceased already.
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